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AMT Tech Trends: Homemade chips

Episode 58: Steve talks about how the chip shortage is helping the sellers of used motor vehicles including motorcycles. Benjamin is impressed by a new multi-function desktop machine tool on Kickstarter coming to market soon.
Oct 18, 2021

Episode 58: Ben absolutely crushes the intro. Steve talks about how the chip shortage is helping the sellers of used motor vehicles including motorcycles, the segues into Hyundai’s plans for bringing chip manufacturing in-house. Benjamin is impressed by a new multi-function desktop machine tool on Kickstarter that should be coming to market soon. Stephen reports that robot dogs are now being equipped with long-range sniper rifles. Ben brings up antibacterial compounds for medical additive and then pivots to “gauging software.” Steve closes with an announcement that there will be a special guest on the next episode!

www.reuters.com/technology/hyunda…akers-2021-10-13/www.kickstarter.com/projects/makera…era/descriptionfuturism.com/sniper-rifle-robot-dogwww.todaysmedicaldevelopments.com/article/…-dental/www.qualitymag.com/articles/96703-…s-changing-role

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Transcript

Benjamin Moses:          Hello, everyone. Welcome to the AMT Tech Trends podcast, where we discuss the latest in manufacturing, technology, research, and news. I am Benjamin Moses, the director of technology and I'm here with-

Stephen LaMarca:         Stephen LaMarca, technology analyst.

Benjamin Moses:          Steve, it's always a pleasure to see you again.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's good seeing you, and I'm not going to lie, so you've had a lot going on, AMT's had a lot going on. You just got back last week from vacation?

Benjamin Moses:          That's right.

Stephen LaMarca:         And you came back, hit the ground running, and then delivered that intro perfectly.

Benjamin Moses:          I tried.

Stephen LaMarca:         No garbled words whatsoever. Smooth. No hiccups. It was incredible.

Benjamin Moses:          For one sentence it's not bad.

Stephen LaMarca:         You just laid it down.

Benjamin Moses:          And I think, coming back from vacation and I had a committee meeting yesterday also, so doing a little bit of travel up to Rochester. It was cool to see. I haven't been to-

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, so you actually went?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         I thought you took it from home.

Benjamin Moses:          No, no, no. We had an in-person meeting, which felt great. We had a very good turnout. We had followed the local COVID precaution rules, which worked out great. They're very clear and easy to follow.

Stephen LaMarca:         Nice.

Benjamin Moses:          And being in downtown Rochester was great. I haven't been. So, you previously worked in between Rochester and Phelps for a number of years, so I'd drive up there, and I never really went into the city that often. But there were a lot of character, a lot of interesting places to visit.

Stephen LaMarca:         A lot of charm.

Benjamin Moses:          A lot of charm. I guess, that's what people would say if they liked that kind of thing. So, I had a little bit of time in between our committee ending and going to the airport, so I was able to drive around checking the sites and all that. So, it was fun. Steve, what are we here to talk about, man?

Stephen LaMarca:         All right. We are here to talk about... Well, first, my segue into my first article was going to be, I'm in the process of selling my motorcycle, it's had some interest, I've had some people over to look at it and I've had to turn down some offers, but mostly I've got a lot of interest. And I've got two perspective buyers lined up, one for today and one for November 1st. But I'm looking to get a new bike, and I'm very excited about it. I'm actually going to get one that's a little bigger than I had planned, engine wise. Fortunately, it's still really lightweight. But I finished talking to my insurance provider and my insurance is actually going down-

Benjamin Moses:          Wow, that's strange.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... which is crazy because I spend, I won't get into what I spent, but I'm going to be spending about 15% less than I was, even though I'm going from a 400cc to, essentially, a liter bike, which is insane. But it's cool because I've never been able to say this before, at least since I've had a license, but I've been free of tickets for the last three years.

Benjamin Moses:          Are you worried going forward?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah, a little bit. I feel like it's got to happen again, eventually, but it hasn't yet. I have to thank the pandemic a little bit for that because I've been driving more but also less, and there's been less people on the road. I haven't had to drive, which is the thing. So, I've only driven if I've actually wanted to, or ridden the motorcycle for that matter. But yeah, it's been great. I've also, actually, even though I don't plan on selling my car, went on Carvana just to see, because I've been hearing from a lot of my friends that, "Dude, Carvana's offering an insane amount of money, right now, for your car, just because of this chip shortage."

                                    And so, it's actually reflected my asking price for my motorcycle too. So, right now is the time to sell and get a new bike because fortunately, even though there are less new motorcycles on dealership lots, they can still order them for you.

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         And a lot of the dealerships are willing to honor MSRP prices, or lower, because they still need to keep people fed and [crosstalk 00:04:20] move metal. So, it's really fortunate for the motorcycle market right now.

Benjamin Moses:          Absolutely.

Stephen LaMarca:         But going into that, that goes into my first article from Reuters. Cat actually posted it to our industry news channel this morning, "Hyundai Motor aims to develop chips, to cut reliance on chip makers."

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         And I think, this is so cool because we heard a couple of months ago from Toyota, that Toyota didn't see the chip shortage coming but they weren't planned for it.

Benjamin Moses:          Correct.

Stephen LaMarca:         And they're similar to Hyundai in that, they have a plan to prevent any chip shortage from ever affecting them again. So, Toyota is making out pretty well and Hyundai will be too, next time, but that's where the similarities end with the two companies.

Benjamin Moses:          [crosstalk 00:05:12] different strategies.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. They have different strategies, different plans. Where Toyota, I believe, their plan is to just hoard as much silicon as possible and keep their chips backwards compatible, or rather, they try to future proof their designs. And they have less and more, simultaneously, in terms of the features that they need for their chips, which is really cool. Hyundai is like, "No, we're never going to rely on other people again." So, we've seen Hyundai do this in the past with robotics, they're like, "Yeah, we're doing our own robots right now. We're not going to buy industrial robot arms from other manufacturers." They closed their last, their final deal, I think, at the end of last year with KUKA Robotics, they were the last robot they bought from. Now, they're making their own arms in-house for their use, and there'll be selling them to people who want them, of course.

                                    And a couple months ago, or earlier this year, they bought Boston Dynamics, so they're going full steam ahead with making their own robots. And they figured, why stop there? Now they're going to be making their own chips too. And this is cool because there's a lot of... You know, problems like this, usually, end up yielding some awesome developments.

Benjamin Moses:          Right.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, I think, was it Porsche? Porsche also has a solution for cutting down on chip shortages, I believe. They're insanely innovative.

Benjamin Moses:          They are.

Stephen LaMarca:         But their whole thing is, "Yeah, we're going to stop using silicone." They want to look to other materials for their chips. And I was like, that's awesome, that's great. I love material science.

Benjamin Moses:          Absolutely. Those wacky Germans.

Stephen LaMarca:         I think that's Porsche.

Benjamin Moses:          We'll just say it is.

Stephen LaMarca:         We'll leave it at that.

Benjamin Moses:          That's interesting that, for them to grow their integration more vertically, that's not a small move, creating-

Stephen LaMarca:         It's not.

Benjamin Moses:          ... the design and fabrication for those chips. That's a steep investment, but I mean, they've been on a buying spree recently, so they have the capital to do it.

Stephen LaMarca:         I mean, especially in the automotive industry where everybody is, I don't want to use the word outsourcing, because outsourcing is usually associated as a bad word, but everybody's working together for a similar product. Nobody's fully in-house anymore.

Benjamin Moses:          Correct. Correct.

Stephen LaMarca:         Seemingly. And I like to use in-house as, actually, a good word. So, it's cool when people do aim for in-house. But on the example of American cars and mostly American car buyers, they're like, "Be American, buy American." It's like, "Dude, your car is not American." I mean, I think the most American vehicle that you can buy in the States is either, any Subaru because well, with exception to the sports car, the BRZ, that is actually made in Japan, but most Subaru sold in America are made in South Carolina. And the same with BMW SUV's. They're fully made in South Carolina. They may get some German parts in but... You know, you look at American auto makers, sure, they might be assembled in the US but the parts are from all over the world. And to say that it is an American product is...

Benjamin Moses:          Now, I wonder if Hyundai's impact... So, on most of my cars, which mostly were German cars, they use Bosch ECUs, and there's a bunch of other chips that are required throughout the entire car. But I'm wondering if also, their strategy is to create their own ECUs and move away from common platforms like that? And I'm wondering, how that cascades to the rest of the industry?

Stephen LaMarca:         It'll probably start with making their own ECUs because I think that's where the majority of the chips they need are for.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         And the engine control units.

Benjamin Moses:          Autonomous driving, also.

Stephen LaMarca:         And then, other things like, I think, transmissions have their own-

Benjamin Moses:          Hmm. They're automatic, yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... computer units now, too. I know, the big difference between like Japanese and German automakers is, Germans use Bosch for a lot of their stuff. And the Japanese use Denso, [crosstalk 00:09:25] which is mostly owned by Toyota. So, it's like, your Honda has Denso parts in it. It's got Toyota parts in it. So, to say that you're brand loyal to one thing, no, you're not.

Benjamin Moses:          You can't be.

Stephen LaMarca:         But yeah. The MSF, or not MSF. The MAF, mass air flow sensors?

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         You know, that's a chip, right there.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's cool. It's cool that they're trying to go in house-

Benjamin Moses:          [crosstalk 00:09:47]. We'll check back in a couple of years, see how they're doing.

Stephen LaMarca:         And to give them credit, you look at the watch industry, going as fully in-house as possible, that's a luxury feature to said luxury goods.

Benjamin Moses:          We'll see you in 15 years if they outsource it again. I see these cycles happen pretty often.

Stephen LaMarca:         I have not witnessed that. I mean, maybe I've been around for it, but I think, that seems accurate.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         I feel like it ebbs and flows.

Benjamin Moses:          I've seen that quite a bit in aerospace. So, an integrator will bring in a bunch of stuff, I was in a lower tier where we would lose some machining demand, we'll lose some welding fabrication demand. And then, seven years later, then all of it floods back out when they realize that the markets has some room and the prices are lower. So, it all depends on the purchasing guy that's interested and he's going to do the price comparison, if he could purchase it outside cheaper, which kind of ebbs and flows to the market demand, or market pricing. So, we'll see.

Stephen LaMarca:         Awesome.

Benjamin Moses:          I got one on Carvera, not cars. It's a new desktop mill. We'll call it a mill for now.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes.

Benjamin Moses:          So, the reason I like this is it has some really interesting features. And our idea of a desktop factory?

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          This is another really cool integration point where it has a lot of capability built into this, so-

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. First off, capability built into it. First, I want to know, you got to go with the specs for me. I want to know how it stacks up against our Pocket NC.

Benjamin Moses:          So, size-wise, it's very similar.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          Base model is 3-axis.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay.

Benjamin Moses:          So, we're losing a little bit there compared to the Pocket NC.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's 2-axis down, but you said a fourth axis is-

Benjamin Moses:          There is an option. There's an optional fourth axis where we start to see the separation is, this has a ability to add a 2.5W laser.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, it can do a laser cutting, as well?

Benjamin Moses:          It can do laser cutting, engraving-

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, man, that's sick. And engraving.

Benjamin Moses:          And the biggest thing is, it's got an automatic tool changer.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, my God. Magazine or turret?

Benjamin Moses:          I guess, you could call it a magazine, the tools are stationary. So, similar to a CMM probe tool change where they have it lined up, and then the head comes over and picks it up.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay. Almost like an arm-

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... but not an arm.

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly. So, the tools are on the side of the bed and it moves over it and picks up the tool.

Stephen LaMarca:         I would consider that a magazine, more than a turret.

Benjamin Moses:          Sure. We can call it a magazine. Yeah. Because it's not rotating, it's not moving.

Stephen LaMarca:         Right. Right, it's stationary.

Benjamin Moses:          I mean, so now this is the closest to an industrial machine, other than the laser. You could say this-

Stephen LaMarca:         It has more automation than the Pocket NC.

Benjamin Moses:          A lot more automation.

Stephen LaMarca:         What's the spindle speed?

Benjamin Moses:          It can go up to 15,000 rpms.

Stephen LaMarca:         Is that a direct drive electric motor or-

Benjamin Moses:          I think it's a direct drive. It's not air-power assisted.

Stephen LaMarca:         Okay, because I know that was an option when we were looking to upgrade our Pocket NC to the V2. There's two versions of the version two, there's the V2-10, which is the conventional Pocket NCs, max spindle speed of 10,000 rpm. And then there's the V2-50, which I originally wanted real bad because it has a max spindle speed of 50,000 rpm, which is insane on an office ready, or office friendly, desktop machine tool, CNC machine tool. And then I found out, then they told me, "Oh yeah, you need an industrial grade air compressor for this." And I was like, "Who has that in their office space?"

Benjamin Moses:          That's a bit of a whammy, this giant four foot compressor next to your desk.

Stephen LaMarca:         We're trying to keep the... We could probably get one on the testbed, but I don't know what it would require to run, what kind of input-

Benjamin Moses:          Electricity. Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... it would need? Is it electric driven? Do you need gas?

Benjamin Moses:          No. No. Most of those are electric driven. You might be able to get by with 110. It all depends on the flow rate, but I mean-

Stephen LaMarca:         My point is, it would hamper the mobility of the testbed, and that's one of the things that we need.

Benjamin Moses:          Now, if you're a shop and your experiment, if you've got a little testbed.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah, you could do that.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. But let's get back to this cool little guy.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yes. Tell us more.

Benjamin Moses:          I think it's starting... So, it's a Kickstarter, so let's be-

Stephen LaMarca:         3000?

Benjamin Moses:          ... transparent about that.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's great.

Benjamin Moses:          But they ask for 3000 bucks to buy in on this Kickstarter-

Stephen LaMarca:         That's awesome.

Benjamin Moses:          ... For one unit, so.

Stephen LaMarca:         And 15,000-

Benjamin Moses:          Rpm.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, as far as we know, rpm direct drive?

Benjamin Moses:          Yep.

Stephen LaMarca:         That's great. That's a lot for pocket... And hey, don't knock Kickstarter, that's where Pocket NC started, that's where our collaborative robot started, the uArm was on Kickstarter as well. And then they showed up at CES the year I didn't go. So, no, that's great. I'm looking forward to seeing them.

Benjamin Moses:          I think this could be our... We should compare our options for our replacement for next year with this guy.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          So, I thought that was great.

Stephen LaMarca:         There's just so much familiarity that I already have though, with the Pocket NC. We're going through all of the problems and questions that I would assume a machine shop goes through when they want to acquire a new piece of equipment.

Benjamin Moses:          Absolutely.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, I mean-

Benjamin Moses:          We'll do a write-up of this.

Stephen LaMarca:         We're effectively meeting the goal, one of the initial goals of creating the testbed, how accurately can we mimic real-

Benjamin Moses:          Real problems?

Stephen LaMarca:         ... Production problems.

Benjamin Moses:          Absolutely. What've you got for the next article, Steve?

Stephen LaMarca:         Next article. We're going on again, because you know, we've already talked about cars and watches, getting as off topic as possible, but still trying to talk about manufacturing technology. Let's talk about guns. So, Futurism, posted an article, and it's been known that... They posted an article about the robot dogs, not specifically Spot, by Boston Dynamics, but multiple news fronts have had articles saying how, I don't want to use creepy... But what was the word I said before we started recording? Darn. Undesirable, I guess. Unsettling. That's it. How unsettling the robot dogs can be, or just humanoid robots in general, in some cases, unless it's the adorable Pepper by SoftBank. But as if they weren't unsettling enough, Futurism reports that, "Oh-oh, they strapped a sniper rifle to a robot dog."

Benjamin Moses:          I wish that was just a joke, but that's really real.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's real. I should have looked further into it to see if it was Australia, because it seems like an Australia thing to do.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah.

Stephen LaMarca:         But I know, when I posted this to our industry news channel, and this actually came through on Tech Trends, I didn't just see this in my own feed. So, Tech Trends picked this one up, so, yay. One of the first comments we got in the slack channel for industry news was from our colleague Ed. And he said, his first comment is, "Oh, it's a 6.5 Creedmoor."

Benjamin Moses:          Nevermind that there's a firearm strapped to it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Nevermind, they've strapped a firearm, a sniper rifle, to the already unsettling robot dog but he's commented that it is, yes, a 6.5 Creedmoor, which is, to be fair, just as futuristic as the robot dog and autonomous war fighters are. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a very futuristic cartridge, even though it came out a while ago, it's only in the past few years it's just started getting popular.

Benjamin Moses:          Right. There's quite the caliber revolution going on now.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. There is.

Benjamin Moses:          If you guys will buy us drinks, we'll talk about it.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah. I think I can leave it, I have much more to say, but let's leave it at that.

Benjamin Moses:          Let's leave it there, this podcast will run on for hours if we could get into that topic.

Stephen LaMarca:         I think we're doing great on time right now, too. We don't have the clock up, but we'll see.

Benjamin Moses:          I've one article on additive. Not too much additive this stuff today, do we talk about additive?

Stephen LaMarca:         Dude, I don't think we did.

Benjamin Moses:          No, we didn't. So, medical industry, they've fully embraced 3D printing and additive manufacturing. And I think, most of the industry, most of our listeners are used to plastics and metallic printing.

Stephen LaMarca:         Yeah.

Benjamin Moses:          This article talks about some of the advancements in medical 3D printing. And there's two really interesting ones that kind of stuck out. One is a new antibacterial compound for 3D printing. So, why that's useful is that-

Stephen LaMarca:         You don't want to print something in somebody's body that's going to fester.

Benjamin Moses:          Exactly, exactly. The actual process of putting the device in the body, that's prone for a lot of infection and a lot of issues. So, it ends up that the devices are fine, but it's the infection that putting the device in the body that causes issues, so being able to use silver based antibacterial compounds in the production phase is fantastic. So, further mitigating the risk of, I've got this foreign object in my body, let's attack it. And well, now it's fairly clean and it's, it actually helps the body in case of the other infections that are prevalent from that process.

Stephen LaMarca:         It's cool how a lot of conventional metals, not modern alloys... We love talking about our modern, specialty alloys that are created for whichever industry or manufacturing technology, but it's really cool how a lot of old school metals have antibacterial properties. Like, I love looking at old buildings, and old government buildings, and you see brass doorknobs and hand rails. And yeah, brass looks nice, it has that gold hue to it, so it looks very luxurious and fancy, but some architect may have been... Nevermind. It doesn't matter. But like somebody pointed out to me, he's like, "Oh yeah, they used to use brass all the time in architecture for doorknobs and handrails and such, because brass is antibacterial." After somebody touches it, even if they have germs all over their hand, which virtually everybody does, after they touch it, it takes the brass four hours to kill all the bacteria-

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... on it. And so that was like the primary... You know, everybody thinks it's, oh, it's so ornate and old-

Benjamin Moses:          There was actually a purpose behind it.

Stephen LaMarca:         ... an old building, but they did that because it was antibacterial.

Benjamin Moses:          Yeah. That's fascinating. And the last point from today's medical development website is, print sensors directly on moving organs and other accessible prosthetic arms. I was like, that's fascinating. I don't know how you do that. So, they were printing like hydro-based gel sensors on organs like lungs and things like that. One, just printing on moving objects, but now you're printing sensors. This is way beyond me. So, this is fairly Star Trek-y.

Stephen LaMarca:         How many years before you'll be able to connect to your body with your phone via Bluetooth?

Benjamin Moses:          Well, I mean, we're pretty close with external sensors, I would say we're not that far away. I think the battery issue-

Stephen LaMarca:         I think 2030.

Benjamin Moses:          I mean, what's that, nine years from now?

Stephen LaMarca:         Wow.

Benjamin Moses:          That seems far away. How old will we be in 2030, Steve?

Stephen LaMarca:         I don't want to know.

Benjamin Moses:          Right. The last article I've got is on metrology from Quality Magazine.

Stephen LaMarca:         Oh, cool.

Benjamin Moses:          They're talking about gauging software's changing role in manufacturing. And the biggest takeaway here is that, obviously, digital manufacturing has grown significantly. So, being able to harvest data from machine equipment and machine tools, and store it and use that data intelligently, obviously, that's cascading across all the other devices and processes. So, things like QIF, the Quality Information Framework, we've standardized some of the data coming out of metrology and this is kind of an extension of that. So, it talks about digital gauging involving software to capture and process digital measurements, and the growth that they've seen in the past two decades. Which, to be fair, in the past 20 years manufacturing has gone through a huge evolution of tools and processes. And the biggest thing that they're looking at here is, selecting measurement and inspection software that's based on the CAD platform, interoperability from your inspection equipment back to a way to process and visualize that data.

                                    So, it's going far beyond than just capturing. So, it's applying... You know, you're not just looking at spreadsheets anymore, you have a visual representation of the data and where it relates to the parts, so you have significantly more context, so you can apply that information better and easier. And what this allows us to do is get into model based design or model based enterprise strategies. So, if your core dataset is your CAD model, being able to connect everything back to that one core model, allows you to see your life cycle of your parts significantly different. So, I thought was a very interesting look that... Hey, Quality's not that far behind us, I think we kind of downplay Quality and metrology and, we'll call it, the back end of the process, but it's adding significantly more value upstream now.

Stephen LaMarca:         Well, it's cool that this brings to the foreground what's going on in the background in terms of metrology because, like you said, there's a lot going on and there's a lot that's developed in the past decade. There's a lot that's happened in the last five years since we started the testbed. You know, integrated metrology, it's like one of our favorite things to talk about on this podcast, other than off-topic things. And this is cool because this article brings to light how they're making integrated metrology happen. You know, how to avoid sending your parts to inspection, just have it done right there on the machine.

Benjamin Moses:          So, that was a great article from Quality Mag. So, great topics all around. Steve, I'm very happy you coming out-

Stephen LaMarca:         This was a great episode. I feel like it flew by.

Benjamin Moses:          Very creepy on the firearm enabled dog, but there'll be more of that. Maybe we'll see laser guns on them.

Stephen LaMarca:         Let's not go too far.

Benjamin Moses:          Where can you find more info about us, Steve?

Stephen LaMarca:         Before I get it, because I'd love to tell you where our listeners can find more info on us, I just want to highlight and kind of sneak peek, the next episode that we do, we're going to have a third person.

Benjamin Moses:          Oh yeah?

Stephen LaMarca:         Russ is coming back.

Benjamin Moses:          Nice.

Stephen LaMarca:         The managing director of the MTConnect Institute, Russ Waddell, will be joining us on the next episode. He wants to talk about recent developments in MTConnect and what's been going on, on his side of the industry for the past year, because it's been a while since we've talked to him. And full disclosure, I'm in a chat group with him and Sharib, and every now and then he'll hit us with some cool facts, or some recent developments, in the MTConnect world. And I'll be like, "Dude, AMT News or Exhibitions, they need to get on this, this is incredible content." And he'll just leave it at that.

                                    Like six months ago or more he sent Sharib and I a German, it was in German, not job offer, but a request to fill a position. There was a German Formula One team looking for a manufacturing engineer who knows MTConnect.

Benjamin Moses:          Wow.

Stephen LaMarca:         Who has used MTConnect in the past. And it's like, "This is awesome, we need to report on this." And of course, that's months ago now, so the job has either been filled or they're not looking for the person anymore. And also, he hits us up with information on which companies that people drool about, like Tesla, SpaceX, et cetera. NASA are... Like, he monitors who's downloading the standard. Those companies have had in the tens of numbers of downloads by individual people working for those organizations, those companies, downloading the standard.

                                    So, it's like, "Yeah, we need to talk about this, we need to get you on. And we need to get some of this stuff in actual written articles too.".

Benjamin Moses:          That's cool. I'm excited.

Stephen LaMarca:         But the first step was, let's get him on the next episode.

Benjamin Moses:          Sounds good.

Stephen LaMarca:         So, that's the plan for the next episode, if you don't want to miss that, join us next time. If you want to see everything that we've done, so far, news-related and some previous episodes of ours, go to amtonline.org/resources, and you'll find it all there. Subscribe to the weekly tech report newsletter.

Benjamin Moses:          Awesome. Thanks, Steve.

Stephen LaMarca:         Thank you, Ben. Have a good one, everybody.

Benjamin Moses:          Bye everyone.

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By Benjamin Moses | Nov 26, 2021

Episode 61: Ben and Steve don’t agree on mushrooms. Stephen shares some excitement mentioning some companies outside of the manufacturing industry that have recently downloaded the latest version of the MTConnect standard...

35 min